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UBS Arena on Twitter : 🔥 JUST ANNOUNCED: “The Head of the Table” Universal Champion @WWERomanReigns will be live at UBS Arena for @WWE Monday Night RAW on 11/29! #WWERAW #WWELongIsland

UBS Arena on Twitter : 🔥 JUST ANNOUNCED: “The Head of the Table” Universal Champion @WWERomanReigns will be live at UBS Arena for @WWE Monday Night RAW on 11/29! #WWERAW #WWELongIsland

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FlewInFromStupidTown

This is probably just a dark match after right?


Anderrrrr

Has to be, otherwise what the fuck.


incrediblemink

The Usos talked about Roman possibly going for the WWE title last night too


Impossible_Aerie_245

That sucks. I rather see Becky that’s why I got a ticket.


ColorfulCrayons

That doesn't mean Becky won't be there my guy.


Impossible_Aerie_245

Yeah but I rather see her have a dark match than Roman reigns. I’ve seen him so much and he’s incredibly boring after the show. He is slower than the undertaker these days


Bellagrrl2021

Becky will be on the main show, in what will probably be in a more substantial role.


Impossible_Aerie_245

Ok but you never know Roman’s entrance will now take up half the show


ColorfulCrayons

Good thing Raw is 3 hours then.


Example_Upset

ladies and gentlemen here you have the average becky stan


Kalpu6099

She'll be there too?


Thirdstar1

Becky will be there bro don’t worry.


Impossible_Aerie_245

You’d be surprised I saw 3 raws 2 years ago and she wasn’t on any of them raw after survivor series, raw in Long Island, last raw of the year


Funkyc0bra

Because she was on smackdown wasn't she?


Impossible_Aerie_245

No she was the raw champion. Advertised all 3 nights. 2 nights she did a backstage segment and one night she did nothing.


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Thirdstar1

Have a draft just to have people crossing over a month later


DHA1999

Facts are facts: AEW has been kicking WWE's ass on this one, so WWE is now bringing their top draw. It's literally reacting against something bad. And that's okay. But don't claim later that WWE don't care about AEW, because they do, and this is the proof.


AKittyCat

> WWE is now bringing their top draw. Elias is back finally?


sexygodzilla

Wait what the hell happened to him anyways? They did all those vignettes of him burying his gimmick and now he's still not back?


AKittyCat

He died.


donttellmymomwhatido

He’ll be redebuting at Halloween Havok, save the date. You’ll all see.


Thor_pool

Did that go anywhere? Or was it just some vignettes to write him off for a while?


AKittyCat

Death doesn't just go away. Unless you're Vince, or Undertaker, or Kane, or the Miz, etc. Etc. Etc.


Bellagrrl2021

Since this came from the arena, it could be the venue reacting to poor ticket sales, and asking the WWE to do something.


Anderrrrr

Just end the brand split again if they are taking the piss with the brands crossing over again.


UFmoose

Who's saying he's going to be on TV? Probably a dark match.


iheartsunny

That’s one way to sell the rest of tickets


SovietShooter

Will it though?


MisterTruth

To me this screams that they will do whatever to not let AEW beat them in that building.


jaketrillenhall

Obviously, that and having Roman on TV is good for rating vs MNF. I feel like between the official rosters not changing until 10/22, then the Road to Survivor Series starting right after, then the yearly limbo period from thanksgiving-end of year where WWE is usually on autopilot because everyone in the U.S. is pre-occupied with the holidays, the hard brand split really won’t be in effect until the new year. Historically, a “looser” brand split is better for ratings but makes for a worse product.


ch1993js

They need to set up for more seats then. AEW have already sold more tickets than WWE is offering in the first place.


MakeYourself85

My thoughts exactly.


LukkasG

really weird time, that's like a week after Survivor Series and not a day after. Interesting what he's gonna do


victoriabattenberg

LI show is selling really poorly.


Downbound92

Especially in comparison to the AEW show a week later. So they're bringing in the Big Dog


Lebronzo6

I doubt that they know what he’s going to do. It’s 100% just to sell tickets


Bellagrrl2021

He probably won't even be on the live show. This looks like a response to the reported poor ticket sales for this venue.


anirudh1595

Uhhhhh. What was the point of the draft again?


rtels2023

Everyone’s touring together, he’s just going to be in a dark match. It’s like when they announced Cena for MSG and he didn’t show up until after SD went off the air


anirudh1595

Not sure about that. Only two weeks ago Roman had two matches on RAW. So yeah, I guess it'll be a Survivor Series build.


Professor_Buttskin

That sweet, hot ratings bump!


SplitDSkies

Raw SuperShow will be back sooner than later


Minnale101

Wow their actually sending Roman because of low ticket sales lmao This is 8 days after survivor series not like it’s night after lol


rickyS71

Definitely trying to beat AEW in ticket sales. Which is fine, but it’s pretty obvious.


ch1993js

I don't think they can beat them in this particular case. Raw is set up for \~7,000 seats, whereas AEW is set up for \~9,000. AEW has already sold more tickets than WWE has made available for sale.


thedrizzle126

Lol that's after crown jewel


RaveConnoisseur

That's after Survivor Series. Crown Jewel is next week.


thedrizzle126

Both statements correct. Crown jewel being the point that the draft goes into effect


Safc9173

You’ve gotta laugh, have a draft, break the rules immediately, honestly wwe are completely creatively bankrupt at the minute (I’m being kind here) if this is all they can come up with.


UFmoose

You've gotta laugh, thinking someone can attend a show and has to be on TV. Very possible he's just there for a dark match.


Safc9173

Did I say they’d have him on the tv programme? Which they will but my point was pretty obvious they have to get someone who is meant to be a smackdown commodity come over to raw to sell tickets as they haven’t built anybody apart from reigns, it’s a terrible way to sell tickets they are basically admitting they only have one person who can draw because they’ve done a shit job at building people.


UFmoose

Well, you directly mentioned "have a draft, break the rules immediately." That would *only be applicable* if he appears on TV. So you may not have used the word "TV" but it was 100% clear that was your assertion.


Safc9173

In your mind it only applies to tv, Raw regardless if it’s dark matches or not should use raw talent, same goes for smackdown if that’s not the case end the brand split.


UFmoose

No, not in my mind. In reality. Fox and USA are the ones who care about the brand split and having separate rosters. I'm just going to end this conversation before it goes off the rails. Believe what you want.


Safc9173

What? Believe the rules that wwe have set out for themselves? Ok you enjoy thinking u know better


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Muscle_Squad

>break the rules immediately "The rules" that aren't in effect yet? They've had these crossovers for weeks now.


kukaki

Are they not going to be in effect by the end of November either then?


Muscle_Squad

Fine. I will give you that. But them bringing their biggest star to a major show is bad somehow? I know brand splits can be confusing, but attempting to bring in sales by bringing in the biggest star should not be something to be confused over.


EliteWaltz

Lol


Strike_Gently

Not choosing any sides, but just stating that this show takes place a week before AEW is also in the arena and there has been a big difference in ticket sales between the two last I had seen.


raddlepenny

Just end the brand split. They haven't got the star power anymore.


hey333

This could just be a dark match/segment, but regardless definitely trying to sell more tickets


Shrekt115

Why have a draft then


ZoroBushido

Lol Raw is so desperate for ratings they have to throw Roman on shows that he’s not even a member of the roster of. Here’s a hint: make the shows better and maybe you can buy some of that good will back from fans you’ve continuously shit on in the past What’s the point of even having a brand split at this point?


Panlore

I think this is to help sell tickets more than help ratings. This Raw has poor ticket sales so far.


Downbound92

Make the show better and you won't have problems selling tickets.


Panlore

Couldn't agree more.


KookyAppointment7920

I think it has less to do with ratings and more to do with ticket sales. Ticket sales to the show are slow.


gregscotia_number1

Raw is stacked now. SD has a more limited roster after the draft.. IMO


InfluenceBeginning47

Can this guy be more overexposed??


StoneColdAM

Both rosters honestly have gotten so thin in terms of star power, and with WWE cleaning house so much, the rosters are smaller, too. I think they should just end the brand split. When it’s done well, it’s great, but it’s bad when it isn’t. Just merge all the titles. It’s clear that one world title gets to be the one that changes hands a lot, while the other gets super long reigns (Lesnar, Drew, Roman). Go good and merge these big singles titles (same for the women). Tag divisions are razor thin, merge the belts. Keep US and IC belts to flesh out the midcard.


AngstyAppleDummy

No joke now I’m not really interested in WWE that much anymore but it’s to the point where I can barely make dream matches anyone. Like yeah matches like Ali vs Rollins and Styles vs Gargano would be dope but you know in the grand scheme of things they wouldn’t really matter so it’s no real point in even wanting to see them


Bellagrrl2021

I think that the issue is years of the WWE telling us that only one person matters. RAW has talented performers, but they don't have Reigns, the guy who the WWE has established as their lone top guy. A lot of fans are going to feel cheated if he is not on a show, because this is what the WWE has taught fans.


AngstyAppleDummy

This! I’ve been saying for a while one of the reasons I can’t get into Roman is the fact WWE has made it clear for years especially recently he’s the only person that matters in their eyes and everyone else is beneath him. I think they’re at the point now where it’s actually starting to affect business


EaterofPins

I mean I get your point but the feel cheated part is a stretch for me personally simply because Roman is a SD guy. When you purchase a ticket to Raw, you can’t feel cheated that a guy who isn’t even on that brand doesn’t show up


Bellagrrl2021

It's truer for house shows, but I've noticed that a lot of people attend the shows out of habit, but don't necessarily keep up with the product. A few years ago when Cena had been out injured for almost a year, the WWE still offered people refunds, if they were upset about his absence. I was referring to those types of people, and even the ones who may not have purchased tickets to this show, because it is an episode of RAW, so they wouldn't be able to see who they've been conditioned to believe is the top star.


sexygodzilla

The problem is there's no proof the shows would get much better. It'd just be 5 hours of the Roman Reigns show and a bunch of repeat matches and short women's matches.


StoneColdAM

But right now Smackdown is focused on Roman, and Raw is kind of a mess. At least if the rosters merged, you’d be likely to see more stars on each show. Smackdown overall has been good since Roman won the belt up until the last few weeks. It was a good mix of top stars, midcarders, and tags. Raw was razor thin, and is 3 hours. Now they just made both shows worse with the roster balancing act.


sexygodzilla

The stars aren't the problem as much as it is the booking. They have enough wrestlers to put on two great shows a week, but the creative sucks. If they end the split I fear we'd get the situation before the recent brand split where Smackdown was just the inessential Raw overflow show, except with the roles reversed.


missdoublefinger

Exactly. I never had faith in WWE to do a proper brand split again because I remember how badly the last one ended. They’re a hop and a skip away from going full Raw Supershow all over again


Enterprise90

WWE will never end the brand split. The networks want a show with unique rosters if they are going to hand a billion dollars out for each.


thunder083

Could see that coming a mile away with slow ticket sales.


lolo161

Hey wwe end your stupid brand split already and unite the titles …


Bellagrrl2021

Thus making each brand less valuable to television networks.


skeach101

If this doesn't save this show, then it's probably fair to say WWE has lost New York


UFmoose

LOL what?


skeach101

Good contribution to the discussion. Really strong counterargument to the ticket sales.


UFmoose

Didn't think more needed to be said to the assertion that "WWE has lost New York" if it doesn't crush a Raw show on Long Island just a couple months after setting a record in MSG.


skeach101

>after setting a record in MSG. What kind of record. Certainly not attendance record. And that would be a valid argument if AEW wasn't doing the exact same venue a week later and already tripled them in ticket sales.


UFmoose

OK man. AEW selling more tickets to a single show on Long Island in their second appearance in the main part of the state ever = owns New York. Think whatever you want.


skeach101

If two shows run head to head in the same market and one beat them, that's their market. AEW has New York and Chicago. WWE dominates most of Florida, Texas, and pretty much every smaller market in the nation.


UFmoose

Dude, New York is a massive state with a huge population. The area that actually matters there is the major cities and boroughs. New York, Brooklyn, Queens, etc. Long Island is a suburb two hours away from the City. A single show in Long Island (a company that always runs a dozen shows in NY per year vs. a company making their second appearance there) doesn't mean shit. If you really believe what you just wrote, you're lying to yourself.


victoriabattenberg

They’re not in Riverhead. The UBS Arena is 11 miles from Arthur Ashe.


UFmoose

Didn't know on what part of LI it was, thanks for the clarification. It's still not in the city and my point doesn't really change.


Shrekt115

Smackdown in MSG sold out IIRC, it took a while, but they did. Obviously AEW has much more momentum, but New York is still very much a WWE town too


skeach101

Ehhhhh. WWE announced 14k. WrestleTix had it much lower than that leading up to the show. 14k isn't an MSG sellout. They had sections taped off and did some heavy papering. But to this particular show, it's pretty dire.


Shrekt115

[15k is what the Knicks did in the playoffs & they considered that a sell out](https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/31479832/new-york-knicks-sell-15000-seats-games-1-2-vs-atlanta-hawks-largest-crowd-postseason-far) I think with this particular show it's also way too early to call. People were saying this about Survivor Series & that will be fine too


skeach101

I think a better comparison would be the G1 super card that did about 16500


Shrekt115

I'm going on recent numbers due to the pandemic factoring in


Muscle_Squad

What if I told you... that it's OK if two companies are successful in the same town?


skeach101

Do you consider this UBS arena ticket sale situation a success?


Muscle_Squad

It doesn't matter to me as a casual fan that enjoys both companies. I'm glad to see live wrestling thrive. Just because they don't sell "more" than the other company doesn't mean they didn't do well.


skeach101

> It doesn't matter to me as a casual fan that enjoys both companies. I'm glad to see live wrestling thrive. Just because they don't sell "more" than the other company doesn't mean they didn't do well. I mean... that's totally fine, but completely irrelevant to the discussion we're having.


Muscle_Squad

Do I personally consider UBS arena ticket sales a success? I mean, they seemed to do pretty well. Sure AEW did awesome too, and that's also good.


Known-Ad7468

Just stop the brand split or actually try to create new superstars.


MalleableNinjer

Brand split, my ass. It’s probably Milhouse.


KyWy75

Probably just working a dark match, but still, lol


AndresDickFingers

Good. Fans should get the very best from WWE and AEW. Roman is popular, give the people what they want.


Atomic_Cody-21

I hope all of these cross-brand appearances end after Crown Jewel, but then it'll be time to build Survivor Series and brand warfare.


Impossible_Aerie_245

Could be something to do with The Rock if the original rumors were true


DrewQuinz

I wouldn’t be surprised if this is false advertising to be honest, when the time come they’ll just have Roman no show