[Alberta actually used to have a program that was fairly successful in reducing recidivism rates, known as the Phoenix program.](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J076v23n01_09?journalCode=wjor20)
> The recidivism rates differed significantly between groups and were 3.3% and 10.0% for sexual offenses, and 12.5% and 27.0% for nonsexual offenses, respectively, for completers and noncompleters.
So only 3.3% of inmates that completed the program committed another offence in the 38.8 months post-release, vs 10% of inmates that dropped out.
[The program has since been revamped as "The Rocky Mountain Program."](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/sex-offenders-offender-program-treatment-calgary-baxter-rocky-mountain-1.4208355) No idea on what their success rate has been.
That is hilarious. No shit they changed the name. Phoenix Program for sex offenders.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program
>The program was designed to identify and destroy the Viet Cong (VC) via infiltration, torture, capture, counter-terrorism, interrogation, and assassination.[
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Honest question, but what's the solution for people who have these urges/attractions? If they can't be rehabbed but have never broken a law, what should happen to them?
They should be able to seek confidential help from the government, give them a free psychiatrist sessions for life and drugs that reduce testosterone if they choose (there have been a few pilot programs done with drugs in EU and they worked well). But if they are able to control the urges on their own and have never done anything wrong, than nothing?
See this new program: https://talkingforchange.ca . Full disclosure, I am involved in the program. What we can do for people who are at-risk, but have not committed sexual offences (contact or accessing CSEM online) include: helping them manage known risk factors for sexual offending (for example, emotion dysregulation, pervasive loneliness, problematic patterns in relationships, poor sexual-self regulation), cope with and manage sexual attractions toward children in their everyday life, and help these individuals lead meaningful lives.
As you will see from our program website, we believe that Canadian society should offer these supports BEFORE someone commits and offence, not after a child has been abused or someone is arrested/ convicted of a sexual offence. At present, the VAST majority of treatment is offered to people AFTER an offence has taken place, our program is the only one in Canada to offer service before someone commits an offence. Both approaches are needed, but preventing offending in the first place should get much more attention.
I didn’t want animal control to put down the black bear that kept wandering into town to eat garbage. It walked right past people and no one ever got hurt any of the few times it happened. It was still considered too dangerous to the public and had to go.
I see you're too much of a coward to say it outright, so I'll clarify for you. You're saying you want to kill sick people who haven't done anything just because they are sick.
Don't call Pedos sick people, they are not As calling them sick makes it sound like they can be fixed, they can not. They want to expolit children. Have you heard of that story of that one pedo who did crimes aganist the innocent, he went into one of those so called programs. Guess what when he was released he got a boner and started crying as it did nothing to him. They can not be rehabilbated. It's like trying to change a stright person gay, you can't do it. Stop saying they are sick, the only thing they need is the death by a firing squad.
And i happily will voulanter my time to put these animals down.
edit: Those who downvoted, you need to open your eyes as I laid out the truth to you.
(spelling probably wrong dont care enough to fix it)
Jesus Christ. You heard one anecdote about something and now it's justification to kill? You're scary. Here's some articles, include one from the US DoJ, suggesting they can be rehabilitated, despite your ignorant convictions and desire to kill.
https://theconversation.com/helping-to-rehabilitate-sex-offenders-is-controversial-but-it-can-prevent-more-abuse-111861
https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-7-effectiveness-treatment-adult-sex-offenders
https://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug03/newhope
Again, I'm speaking in the scenario of people with these desires but haven't yet acted. But either way I don't see a value in execution - It clearly won't dissuade others and seems like less of a punishment than life behind bars. It only seems to serve people's desire for blood.
Im talking about when they have acted. And whats the difference between those that have and haven't, they are still pedos. And yes that then gives us the green light to kill them.
>Im talking about when they have acted.
Ok, but people weren't and your next sentence isn't.
>And whats the difference between those that have and haven't, they are still pedos. And yes that then gives us the green light to kill them.
Dude, you want to murder people who have done nothing wrong and, if given help, may very well do nothing wrong. Are thoughts crimes worthy of execution?
You can not change someones sexuality. You can not fix pedos, the only cure is a 5.56x45mm Nato round. Stop arguing with me saying Pedos are regular people they are not. Get it through your head.
I just showed you evidence you can from multiple sources. But you aren't willing to even read and would rather just kill. That's on you, too lazy to even think that it might be possible, but invested enough in killing you're willing to specify the round you want to kill them with. Do you find you fantasize about killing people a lot?
He was charged with MAKING child porn. That could him having sex with a child, him filming two children committed sex acts, some other adult raping a kid or just taking pictures of kids while naked. He also distributes said porn.
You want to spin this as he is a poor, sick man. Like he deserves sympathy? No. Fuck that guy and fuck all the child rapist sympathizers out there.
You were replying to a comment about what to do with people with those urges who haven't committed any crimes (yet). They weren't talking about the guy who was charged.
I was reading another story recently about someone who was charged with a few violent robberies, they released him on a $10 Bond. I looked into it a bit because I thought I must be misunderstanding, but it sure seems like if he breaches conditions or misses court he's out that whole $10. Wtf is up with that.
How long until these sickos start claiming they were “born this way?” There’s one out at the Devon library who was a pedo apparently. It’s weird how poor our governmental vetting system is when literal pedos get paid by tax payers.
The dude out in Devon was using the library space to run a film group. He's a member of the community, not an employee.
There is no law or policy to prevent folks convicted of crimes from using the public space.
I don’t believe these people can be rehabilitated.
[Alberta actually used to have a program that was fairly successful in reducing recidivism rates, known as the Phoenix program.](https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1300/J076v23n01_09?journalCode=wjor20) > The recidivism rates differed significantly between groups and were 3.3% and 10.0% for sexual offenses, and 12.5% and 27.0% for nonsexual offenses, respectively, for completers and noncompleters. So only 3.3% of inmates that completed the program committed another offence in the 38.8 months post-release, vs 10% of inmates that dropped out. [The program has since been revamped as "The Rocky Mountain Program."](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/sex-offenders-offender-program-treatment-calgary-baxter-rocky-mountain-1.4208355) No idea on what their success rate has been.
That is hilarious. No shit they changed the name. Phoenix Program for sex offenders. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program >The program was designed to identify and destroy the Viet Cong (VC) via infiltration, torture, capture, counter-terrorism, interrogation, and assassination.[
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Honest question, but what's the solution for people who have these urges/attractions? If they can't be rehabbed but have never broken a law, what should happen to them?
They should be able to seek confidential help from the government, give them a free psychiatrist sessions for life and drugs that reduce testosterone if they choose (there have been a few pilot programs done with drugs in EU and they worked well). But if they are able to control the urges on their own and have never done anything wrong, than nothing?
All I know is those people would need some kind of support.
See this new program: https://talkingforchange.ca . Full disclosure, I am involved in the program. What we can do for people who are at-risk, but have not committed sexual offences (contact or accessing CSEM online) include: helping them manage known risk factors for sexual offending (for example, emotion dysregulation, pervasive loneliness, problematic patterns in relationships, poor sexual-self regulation), cope with and manage sexual attractions toward children in their everyday life, and help these individuals lead meaningful lives. As you will see from our program website, we believe that Canadian society should offer these supports BEFORE someone commits and offence, not after a child has been abused or someone is arrested/ convicted of a sexual offence. At present, the VAST majority of treatment is offered to people AFTER an offence has taken place, our program is the only one in Canada to offer service before someone commits an offence. Both approaches are needed, but preventing offending in the first place should get much more attention.
That's amazing. It's good to know such a program exists for these people
If they never break the law then they've done nothing wrong. You guys want to start punishing people for NOT committing a crime?
I didn’t want animal control to put down the black bear that kept wandering into town to eat garbage. It walked right past people and no one ever got hurt any of the few times it happened. It was still considered too dangerous to the public and had to go.
We need to bring back that punishment we got rid of in 76’
I see you're too much of a coward to say it outright, so I'll clarify for you. You're saying you want to kill sick people who haven't done anything just because they are sick.
Don't call Pedos sick people, they are not As calling them sick makes it sound like they can be fixed, they can not. They want to expolit children. Have you heard of that story of that one pedo who did crimes aganist the innocent, he went into one of those so called programs. Guess what when he was released he got a boner and started crying as it did nothing to him. They can not be rehabilbated. It's like trying to change a stright person gay, you can't do it. Stop saying they are sick, the only thing they need is the death by a firing squad. And i happily will voulanter my time to put these animals down. edit: Those who downvoted, you need to open your eyes as I laid out the truth to you. (spelling probably wrong dont care enough to fix it)
Jesus Christ. You heard one anecdote about something and now it's justification to kill? You're scary. Here's some articles, include one from the US DoJ, suggesting they can be rehabilitated, despite your ignorant convictions and desire to kill. https://theconversation.com/helping-to-rehabilitate-sex-offenders-is-controversial-but-it-can-prevent-more-abuse-111861 https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-7-effectiveness-treatment-adult-sex-offenders https://www.apa.org/monitor/julaug03/newhope Again, I'm speaking in the scenario of people with these desires but haven't yet acted. But either way I don't see a value in execution - It clearly won't dissuade others and seems like less of a punishment than life behind bars. It only seems to serve people's desire for blood.
Im talking about when they have acted. And whats the difference between those that have and haven't, they are still pedos. And yes that then gives us the green light to kill them.
>Im talking about when they have acted. Ok, but people weren't and your next sentence isn't. >And whats the difference between those that have and haven't, they are still pedos. And yes that then gives us the green light to kill them. Dude, you want to murder people who have done nothing wrong and, if given help, may very well do nothing wrong. Are thoughts crimes worthy of execution?
You can not change someones sexuality. You can not fix pedos, the only cure is a 5.56x45mm Nato round. Stop arguing with me saying Pedos are regular people they are not. Get it through your head.
I just showed you evidence you can from multiple sources. But you aren't willing to even read and would rather just kill. That's on you, too lazy to even think that it might be possible, but invested enough in killing you're willing to specify the round you want to kill them with. Do you find you fantasize about killing people a lot?
I’m pro death penalty :-D
For those who haven't even commited crimes.
He was charged with MAKING child porn. That could him having sex with a child, him filming two children committed sex acts, some other adult raping a kid or just taking pictures of kids while naked. He also distributes said porn. You want to spin this as he is a poor, sick man. Like he deserves sympathy? No. Fuck that guy and fuck all the child rapist sympathizers out there.
You were replying to a comment about what to do with people with those urges who haven't committed any crimes (yet). They weren't talking about the guy who was charged.
Could be. Im all over the place!
Yes we do, I think we should bring in death by firing squad for these crimes though.
crazy how they get released back into the public before trial
Something something presumed innocent....
something something he’ll get his in jail
Aren't we past wishing rape on people?
rape isnt what im wishing for this man by any means.
Weird flex but okay
whats a flex? the fact i think pedophiles deserve to get their heads kicked in?
Peculiar brag, however fine.
zzzzz
Bizarre gloat, though permissible.
No need to wish. Karma will do just fine.
Paper release with those charges? What a wonderful justice system
I was reading another story recently about someone who was charged with a few violent robberies, they released him on a $10 Bond. I looked into it a bit because I thought I must be misunderstanding, but it sure seems like if he breaches conditions or misses court he's out that whole $10. Wtf is up with that.
How long until these sickos start claiming they were “born this way?” There’s one out at the Devon library who was a pedo apparently. It’s weird how poor our governmental vetting system is when literal pedos get paid by tax payers.
The dude out in Devon was using the library space to run a film group. He's a member of the community, not an employee. There is no law or policy to prevent folks convicted of crimes from using the public space.
I mean they kinda were. You can't control who you are attracted to. But obviously actually committing crimes is the real problem here.